{"id":192,"date":"2007-02-05T17:19:54","date_gmt":"2007-02-05T15:19:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.zeit.de\/joerglau\/2007\/02\/05\/192_192"},"modified":"2007-02-05T17:19:54","modified_gmt":"2007-02-05T15:19:54","slug":"192","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.zeit.de\/joerglau\/2007\/02\/05\/192_192","title":{"rendered":"Bernard Lewis: Kein Krieg mit Iran!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Der Historiker Bernard Lewis im Gespr\u00e4ch mit der <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jpost.com\/servlet\/Satellite?cid=1167467860507&#038;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter\"><em>Jerusalem Post<\/em><\/a> \u00fcber Iran, Regimewechsel und das Nuklarprogramm:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"303\" height=\"454\" alt=\"Lewis-Bernard.jpg\" id=\"image191\" src=\"https:\/\/blog.zeit.de\/joerglau\/files\/2007\/02\/Lewis-Bernard.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p><em>Bernard Lewis.<\/em> Foto: Princeton<\/p>\n<p>Frage: Sollte der Westen auf Regimewechsel im Iran dringen?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Lewis: Yes, I think so. What the [discontented Iranians] are asking for is <strong>not a military invasion<\/strong>. My Iranian friends and various groups are unanimous on that point. They feel a military invasion would be counterproductive.<\/p>\n<p>JP: What do the Iranians think of their nuclear program?<\/p>\n<p>Lewis: That is a delicate issue because the nuclear program has become a matter of national pride. Look at it from the Iranian point of view: The Russians in the north have it, the Chinese in the east have it, the Pakistanis in the south have it, and the Israelis in the west have it. &#8222;<strong>Who is to tell us that we must not have it?<\/strong>&#8222;<\/p>\n<p>I think one should try to make it clear at all stages <strong>that the objection is not to Iran having [a nuclear capacity] but to the regime that governs Iran<\/strong> having it. I am told now that in Iran most recently, support has virtually disappeared for the nuclear program. Previously it had some support, but it is now increasingly being realized that this is a method of strengthening the regime, which means that it is bad.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Lewis findet im Hinblick auf den Iran einen n\u00fcchternen und pragmatischen Ton, den manche anderen \u00c4usserungen des grossen Gelehrten in den letzten Jahren haben vermissen lassen.<\/p>\n<p>Lewis geh\u00f6rte zu den intellektuellen Paten des Irak-Kriegs. Eine Auseinandersetzung mit dem dortigen Desaster nach der Invasion hat er bisher vermieden. Vielleicht sind die massvollen T\u00f6ne im Bezug auf Iran das Zeichen einer neuen Vorsicht.<\/p>\n<p>Lewis \u00c4usserungen \u00fcber die drohende Islamisierung Europas im gleichen Interview allerdings erscheinen mir hysterisch und unverantwortlich. Wieder verficht er die These von der schleichenden \u00dcbernahme Europas durch Muslime: &#8222;They seem to be about to take over Europe&#8220;, sagt Lewis mit Blick auf die Einwanderer.<\/p>\n<p>Allerdings macht er einen guten Punkt, was die tieferen Gr\u00fcnde f\u00fcr das Scheitern der Integration in Europa angeht. (Ich habe einen \u00e4hnlichen Gedanken in meinem <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.zeit.de\/joerglau\/2006\/10\/11\/warum-ein-einwanderungsland-patriotismus-und-leitkultur-braucht_9\">Essay \u00fcber Leitkultur<\/a> und Patriotismus im Einwanderungsland Deutschland ausgef\u00fchrt.) Hier Lewis:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8222;One sees a difference here between Europe and the US. One difference is that Europe has very little to offer. Europeans are losing their own loyalties and their own self-confidence. They have no respect for their own culture. It has become a culture of self-abasement. The diplomacy of what David Kelly called the &#8222;preemptive cringe.&#8220; Naturally that is only going to encourage them in the worst aspects of their own.<\/p>\n<p>If you look at the US, it is apparently somewhat different. There is much more, I hesitate to use the word assimilation, which in Jewish context has a negative connotation, [so] let us say acculturation.<\/p>\n<p>There is also the fact that it is much easier to become American than to become European. To become American is a change of political allegiance. To become a Frenchman or a German is a change of ethnic identity. That is much more difficult for those who come and those who receive them.&#8220;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>(Dank an <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.transatlantic-forum.org\/\">Transantlantic Forum<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<blockquote \/>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Der Historiker Bernard Lewis im Gespr\u00e4ch mit der Jerusalem Post \u00fcber Iran, Regimewechsel und das Nuklarprogramm: Bernard Lewis. 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